On this website http://www.hifi4all.dk/ksb/index.asp I saw an ad where an Ariston RD40 turntable was offered. Seller was 2H Audio. I responded and we made an agreement about the price. Included was an oldskool Ortofon MCA-76 phono pre.
In between we mailed about the shipping, bankaccounts, IBAN etc.
On 26-9 I received an e-mail that he received the money on his bankaccount.
For about 2½ weeks ago I contacted him by phone because it toke to long for the shipping. He promissed me to ship the turntable the next day.
In between I e-mailed him twice but no reply. Also mr. Hasager does not respond on my phonecalls.

The adress of 2H Audio:

Henrik Hasager
Solbakken 6
3600 Frederikssund
Denmark

Tel.: +454731663
e-mail: 2H Audio Henrik Hasager [2haudio@gmail.com]

Mr. Henrik Hasager is also advertising on this site with his dealer name 2H Audio.

I reported this case to the Policestation in Frederikssund and they will handle this as a criminal act.

Er det her et indlæg der hører til i al offentlighed her på forum?

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Brian7500

Brian7500 skrev: Er det her et indlæg der hører til i al offentlighed her på forum?

Eftersom det er en dansk forhandler og personen evt. sælger andre ting på ksb er det vel i alles interresse og få det afklaret.

(inden i hænger nogen synes jeg 2h skulle have en mulighed for og forklare sig, da det før er set folk er blevet hængt uretmæssigt ud herinde for svindel i ksb. mig selv inklusiv)

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Per N skrev: Brian7500 skrev: Er det her et indlæg der hører til i al offentlighed her på forum? Eftersom det er en dansk forhandler og personnen evt. sælge ting på ksb er det vel i alles interresse og få det afklaret

Ja. Måske...

Jeg synes bare ikke det er rigtig okay at udråbe manden til en svindler og en løgner. Bare sådan.

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Sagen med Alfaview, havde jo også almenhedens interesse. Når man er nødt til at kontakte politi, for at få sine varer, så vil jeg mene det er ok med en advarsel.

Altså det er et forum til "Erfaringer og råd vedr. danske og udenlandske forhandlere." så det er helt ok med det indlæg fra min side af.

Er der ikke hold i det, ja så får vi det jo at se her i tråden.

Forøvrigt så skriver han på engelsk, så hvis i vil snakke med ham bør i nok lige skifte sproget

Kjeldsen skrev: Sagen med Alfaview, havde jo også almenhedens interesse. Når man er nødt til at kontakte politi, for at få sine varer, så vil jeg mene det er ok med en advarsel.

Jamen vi er som udgangspunkt enige.

Jeg synes desværre bare at erfaringerne viser, at den slags "advarselstråde" her sjældent løber ret længe, før en eller anden skovl mere eller mindre direkte foreslår at man tager op og slår fortænderne ud på vedkommende (eller lignende).

Og så er det, i mine øjne at den slags tråde her mister sin seriøsitet.

Bare for at have det på det rene.

Jeg har ingen erfaringer med 2H Audio eller Henrik Hasager personligt.

Men som jeg skrev før, har jeg det skidt med at udråbe en mand til en løgner og svindler, med tanke på, at trådstarter jo kan være lige så fuld af løgn som han påstår det om pågældende forhandler.

Men man får jo sjældent lejlighed til at se disse sager fra begge sider.

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Brian7500 skrev: Kjeldsen skrev: Sagen med Alfaview, havde jo også almenhedens interesse. Når man er nødt til at kontakte politi, for at få sine varer, så vil jeg mene det er ok med en advarsel. Jamen vi er som udgangspunkt enige.   Men man får jo sjældent lejlighed til at se disse sager fra begge sider.

Jeg mindes ikke et tidspunkt hvor der har været sådan en tråd her hvor begge sider ikke har været involveret, jeg har netop sendt plafitracer(2h audio) en meddelse med et link til tråden. Han plejer og være en flittig bruger af siden og ikke mindst chatten så han skal nok se den.

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Maarten:

I know Henrik og Plafitracer which is his nickname on this site and he is certainly not a fraud. I'm sure there is a logical explanation and that you will find a solution.

Mastervol skrev: Maarten: I know Henrik og Plafitracer which is his nickname on this site and he is certainly not a fraud. I'm sure there is a logical explanation and that you will find a solution.

Let's see, if I where Henrik I would be more worried about setling it out with the police than, explaining the matter here.

og=and

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Per N skrev: Mastervol skrev: Maarten: I know Henrik og Plafitracer which is his nickname on this site and he is certainly not a fraud. I'm sure there is a logical explanation and that you will find a solution. Let's see, if I where Henrik I would be more worried about setling it out with the police than, explaining the matter here. og=and

I will leave Henrik to decide how he wants to deal with this matter himself.

Mastervol skrev: Maarten: I know Henrik og Plafitracer which is his nickname on this site and he is certainly not a fraud. I'm sure there is a logical explanation and that you will find a solution.

Mastervol, I´m aware of his other hobby. I did some research on the internet and I know he is also a teammember of White Mouse Racing.

By research I also know his financial situation. But I do not want to be a sponsor for his scaleracing.

And indeed, I think it´s better to solve the case between him and me then he has to explain this on the forum or even to the Police. I also think it´s not a tribute to his other hobby and his teammembers.

If he is/was not the owner of the turntable, it shows decency if he refund the money I paid him.

@edit: as my Danish is not what it supposed to be I have to write in English. Even Word 2003 and other programms do not translate in a proper way.

Maarten,

I don't understand your rantings.

I informed you  that 361€ had arrived in my account, not the 375€ we had agreed upon. I let you know that I would not ship the Aristion till you had paid in full.

I will, however, send the turntable today, in order not to have my reputation ruined, more than it already is. I shall take the loss. I expect that you will rescind the posting here and the police reporting.

plafitracer skrev: Maarten, I don't understand your rantings. I informed you  that 361€ had arrived in my account, not the 375€ we had agreed upon. I let you know that I would not ship the Aristion till you had paid in full. I will, however, send the turntable today, in order not to have my reputation ruined, more than it already is. I shall take the loss. I expect that you will rescind the posting here and the police reporting.

Henrik,

The case is very simple:

1. You knew what happened with the exchange rates.

2. I mailed you that and you and I had to pay the rates for foreign exchange. You had no objections.

3. 2½ weeks ago, on monday evening after I waked you and we phoned, you told me to send it immediatly the next day.

4. Until now you did not respond on my mail or my calls. Nothing easier then to pick up the phone and to tell me what you wanted. It is no excuse to keep silent.

5. I received your e-mail with your excuse that you did not have the right packaging and you were very busy. With a sorry for the delay. This was on 27-09-2007.

So, don´t tell me this story or perhaps it would be better to post your e-mails on this forum.

I expect the turntable and the MCA-76 phono pre in 1 piece and when I received it I will clear the case. Both on this forum and with the Police in Frederikssund.

Regards,

Maarten

@edit: I will open the package in presence of the driver as a witness ,who is bringing the package.

I expect the turntable in good, mint, condition as you mailed me, without damages or worn out bearings. Ofcourse I will check in presence of the driver if all is working well. And I will connect the phono pre to my Denon DL103D if this is working to.

This message is copied/pasted and mailed to the detective in charge. I will send you a copy to your e-mail adress.

 

Dette HER  er sku ikke super reklame - for en forhandler

Maarten skrev: plafitracer skrev: Maarten, I don't understand your rantings. I informed you  that 361€ had arrived in my account, not the 375€ we had agreed upon. I let you know that I would not ship the Aristion till you had paid in full. I will, however, send the turntable today, in order not to have my reputation ruined, more than it already is. I shall take the loss. I expect that you will rescind the posting here and the police reporting. Henrik, The case is very simple: 1. You knew what happened with the exchange rates. 2. I mailed you that and you and I had to pay the rates for foreign exchange. You had no objections. 3. 2½ weeks ago, on monday evening after I waked you and we phoned, you told me to send it immediatly the next day. 4. Until now you did not respond on my mail or my calls. Nothing easier then to pick up the phone and to tell me what you wanted. It is no excuse to keep silent. 5. I received your e-mail with your excuse that you did not have the right packaging and you were very busy. With a sorry for the delay. This was on 27-09-2007. So, don´t tell me this story or perhaps it would be better to post your e-mails on this forum. I expect the turntable and the MCA-76 phono pre in 1 piece and when I received it I will clear the case. Both on this forum and with the Police in Frederikssund. Regards, Maarten

Why not use private messages instead, press button "Privat" - there are no reason for taking the battle here.

I tried. He did not respond.

There is no battle, 2H Audio is listed as a dealer and has an obligation to deliver when he is paid. Those are General Terms of selling. But ofcourse, so is a private also.

That is Privat Law. The same in Danmark as The Netherlands.

Here you can find that I tried everything to keep the deal private. The mail was from 18-10. More then a week in between. How many patience a men can have.

Hi Henrik,

Since your last mail 10 days have passed by and more then a week since I phoned you. You already have the money for almost 1 month. The turntable hasn’t arrived yet. I’m really concerned now and doubt if you do possess the turntable.

I suppose it will be the best if I cancel the buy and you will refund the € 375,00 I paid you. I suppose it will not be pleasant to you if I make this unfortunate deal public.

 

Regards,

Maarten

 

i am confused, one says 361€ has been paid, but 375 should have been paid. And you talk about exchange rates, what exchange rates, DKK is fixed to the Euro, what exchange rates are you talking about, and now you say that you want to recieve 375€ - You did not pay 375€, so why should you have 375 in return 

Guldkysten skrev: i am confused, one says 361€ has been paid, but 375 should have been paid. And you talk about exchange rates, what exchange rates, DKK is fixed to the Euro, what exchange rates are you talking about, and now you say that you want to recieve 375€ - You did not pay 375€, so why should you have 375 in return

Maybe the question should be why 2 h audio didn't return the 361 euro's instead of ignorring the guy in a month until he went public, that's what wondering me in this case. But im sure there must be a logical explanation?

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the discussion ends here.

You have given your side of the story, and 2H Audio has given a reply. It is easy to understand that you won't agree to each others stories.

any comments to this, email me or PM me.. you will find my contact information on this site: http://www.hifi4all.dk/kontakt.asp