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Jeg kunne efter min vurdering ikke finde noget bedre til prisen.
Jeg fik dem på tilbud for ca 1000 kr.
Her er lidt om hvad andre har skrevet om Monster® Turbine™ Pro Copper Professional In-Ear Speakers™
"On Radiohead's "In Rainbows" CD, the Copper unleashed more of the drums' punch and impact than I've ever heard from
in-ear headphones that sell for less than $1,000. Bass goes nice and deep, with spectacular definition."
"If you want to hear the most accurate sound, get the Copper."
-Steve Guttenberg, CNET: The Audiophilliac
"You can hear everything and it seems like its in the right context… its not hyped this way or hyped that way. It seems to
have body, where a lot of headphones, you’re just happy to hear anything."
Rick Lawson, Producer
"I got the coolest bass and fullness and oh my gosh! It was amazing!"
"I’ve been using speakers of course, and I don’t use headphones at all, and times that I’ve traveled I’ve thought, ‘Oh my
gosh, if I could only have some great headphones, it would be terrific,’ and here they are."
Michael Lloyd, Producer
"Nowadays, man, we mix for the headphones and the car, because that’s where people listen to music now. What’s important
is making sure it sounds good in the cans, in the headphones and it sounds good in the car. So, with these Monster
earphones it’s perfect, because it sounds like having studio speakers in your ears. It’s very cool man and I’m really excited
to just be able to be at the airport and to just shut the world off and listen to what I’m working on. It’s very cool."
Marcus Miller, Producer (Miles Davis, Luther Vandross, George Benson)
Comments about Monster® Turbine™ Pro Copper Professional In-Ear Speakers™:
I received the Pro Turbine Copper In-Ear-Monitors as a generous "sample pair" in the recent MONSTER CHALLENGE by my
own request…in exchange for an honest review. I had always wanted to hear them and so I jumped at the chance to put
them through the paces. I feel incredibly lucky that I have been able to listen to and even own some incredible high-end
gear, all within about a year and a couple of months of using Apple iBuds! There's a lot to learn about and enjoy in this hobby
(audio, music, gear). One of the things that I'm most thankful for is knowing that I'll never be going back to "bad" sound
again…As for earphones, I have had all of the Yuin PK Series earbuds, the HiFiMan RE-0's, Sennheiser IE8's, and have settled
on the Ultimate Ears Triple-Fi 10's and the Ultimate Ears In-Ear Reference Monitors. For Large Headphones, I have settled on
the Grado RS2i, the Grado HF-2, the Alessandro MS1 (being modified), and the Sennheiser HD600. I did less comparing and
more listening to understand what the Coppers sounded like. If I compare to the Triple-Fi 10 often it is because I actually
have them right now as opposed to making comparisons by memory.SOUND FIRST: BASS: Warm, lots- some really good
slam. These "ear speakers" go low and give some rumble like I have not heard a Balanced Armature iem do (yet). Wouldn't
want more bass than this. Great amount of full/fun bass to me. MIDS: Good amount of midrange, very warm though…not the
clearest. TREBLE: Here they seem "just right" or "just north of neutral" (which I seem to prefer in my treble). I think they
balance well in the presentation to add detail to the warm bass and midrange. A little peaky. I tend to like treble so some
might think it a bit much. I certainly don't think it's too much, I think it is necessary. (But then I like Grados!) OVERALL: A
nice balance/amount of everything, but a bit warm/natural/relaxed in the midrange and full in bass so the Coppers can give
a feeling of a lack of speed/clarity. Lush, warm, relaxed, enjoyable listening without "digital" harshness. Sounds like a nice
warm speaker set-up with some "Loudness" and some treble EQ'd up instead of a "bright" or "analytical" neutral monitoring
system to me. In comparison to my Triple-Fi 10 which many have heard and are not far off in price [...]:Coppers win on
warm bass + slam by a bit and TF10 win for sparkly treble/upper mids by a bit. Coppers win for natural or laid back listening
presentation and TF10 win for speed/clarity (though there is bloom in the TF10 bass too). I recently found this updated
repository of Frequency Response and other data: [@] The charts won't tell you everything but it seems pretty consistent
with what my impressions are...(Now I am trying some different set-ups of gear with reference tracks to get a sense of how
the sources/amps can work with or tune the Copper "sound"…here are some notes.) GEAR USED:-Mac G5 via Optical out to
Benchmark DAC1 and built-in amp (Main System)-Sony X portable player (no effects or EQ unless noted) ~$230-AMB mini^3
portable amp (made to gain of 2, High Performance option by Mister X- no relation to Sony) $130-iBasso D12 portable
DAC/Amp (with stock L/R opamps and dummy buffers installed) $285The Coppers are very revealing of source and amp
characteristics. They can be used straight out of a portable player and I recommend to do that for a while to learn and get
used to the Copper "sound" and also to see how well you can get the Coppers to sound with your player. Then when you
have an idea of any areas you would like to improve or modify, you can start shopping for an amp if you want to try one. A
headphone amp can add bass impact, widen the soundstage and provide more imaging of instruments, or make the
instruments more "punchy" and/or clear. I'm now surprised when I see purchases of portable amps before receiving and
listening to the phones that will be used. (Hey, a year ago I didn't believe in any change from a headphone amp at all...)
Starting out listening with the Sony X and the AMB mini^3 portable amp to some Pop, Rock, Classical, and Soundtracks…
David Gray White Ladder "Please Forgive Me": No sibilance (my sibilance test track), but there is still sparkle on the
percussion…lots of low and midrange warmth for a big, lush presentation with some detail. At 4:28 you hear the cymbals
clearly AND get the sub-bass hit. Listening with the Benchmark DAC1, there is much tighter, defined imaging and instrument
separation on the cymbals, more control of the bass (tighter), but mids seem a little more recessed. More bass impact with
Sony and the mini^3 plus the mids are a bit more forward. The mini^3 seems a bit brighter so it all seems a bit clearer, but
also closer together in instrument presentation (narrow soundstage). Massive Attack 100th Window "Everywhen" (with
Benchmark DAC1): Massive Attack has been a reference band for all of my phones. I am not always listening to Massive
Attack (or drinking Dos Equis) but when phones have impact, Massive Attack shows it. In fact, the BIG bass of Massive
Attack may be causing a little sporadic crackling in the right driver which has "flexed" under the pressure of the ear vacuum
seal...I will have to monitor that. (See my description of "driver flex" under these listening notes.) As far as the sound goes,
nothing is harsh though there is high-end shimmer. I find I turn it up and don't get harsh high-end but a big and full low to
the midrange sound. There's impact but it isn't too much high-energy in the treble or too hard hitting in the bass so as to
cause fatigue. (Might actually be able to listen to Massive Attack all day and enjoy it with these…) The warmth here is a plus.
Need to explain "driver flex": At first I had some problems with "driver flex" which may occur when there is too much of a
vacuum (or air pressure that affects the driver). I could make the right driver "flex" out of position within the housing. I could
hear the driver "flex" or "pop" out of position and stop working. After playing with the driver and the pressure in my ear, it
adjusts or "pops" back into place and makes sound again. The Quick Start Guide warns not to place the tips too far into the
canals or to get too much of a vacuum built up. I have also found in customs that you want a decent seal but not "too much
of a vacuum" or the drivers can't work properly and/or sound can't travel properly. So, after warming up the tips and then
twisting them to get a better (but-not-too-strong-of-a) seal, the driver flex occurrence became rare with practice. (I might
have caused it by wanting to stick the whole thing in my ear when I got them since I am now used to customs. (One of the
benefits of customs is a very positive fit and a great seal but you can still be aware of them filling your whole ears, one of the
benefits of Universals is that the tips can be comfortable enough as to not really feel them. They both take practice and
getting used to them. It's worth the hassle to get the sound wherever and whenever you want it.) Elbow, The Seldom Seen
Kid "Mirrorball" (with the Benchmark): Wow…the kick-drum just seemed to move air in my head and the strings are smooth
and beautiful while the vocals remain very intimate and detailed. This is a showcase for how beautiful the Coppers can
sound. I wondered if this would test the Coppers' resolution and sound congested as Elbow tests some phones and systems
with complex sound. Instead, I don't want to move to the next track…very, very nice! In fact, I did jump around more Elbow
and to Cast of Thousands "Fugitive": Something works really well here and Elbow is just amazing with the big-sounding
Coppers. ANTHEMIC, not anemic (at all). Jeff Buckley, Grace "Hallelujah" (with Benchmark DAC1): Thought this warm track
would be smooth and pretty. It is, but with some added warmth of the Coppers it loses a bit of "space" or "air" that gives the
track an even more intimate and disconsolate feel... Talk Talk, Laughing Stock "New Grass" (with Benchmark) is just a big,
lush, warm field to lie in. Everything sings, resonates, and rings. A touch "wooly" in the midrange with regards to clarity,
however. Pink Floyd, DSOTM "Time" (with Benchmark): The intro is a good way to check for treble "sparkle" and the Coppers
have it, not too bright either. Then the guitar and drums come in and you can hear that the vocals are nice in quality, the
sparkle is there, and the bass is prominent in quantity. Big Bass. Mozart: Requiem In D Minor, K 626 – Sequentia: Rex
Tremendae (Sony X with mini^3): The Coppers sound great with a lot of classical music to me, I was especially impressed
with the way they sounded with this track. The Coppers didn't sound recessed or bumped along the frequency range with this
piece. Radiohead- Extra Track, The King of Limbs "Supercollider" (with Benchmark): The glitchy, reverberating bass tells you
that you have one heck of a seal because it feels like a really big, tight rubberband is being snapped in your ear canals.
Vocals are floating on top and are definitely at a lower level than the bass. But it is such a cool sensation that it doesn't really
matter right now… The way the Coppers sound with the bit of classical music I tried led me to guess that these are really
good iems for soundtracks. A problem with some iems is that they cannot produce the fullness or the rumble that you get
and expect in a theater…since the Coppers have a strong bass presence they should be good (and they are)… TRON
Soundtrack: Big, full-sounding body with nicely detailed horns and strings up top. Handles the purely orchestral passages
with impact and the electronic pieces with even more impact. Probably what they intended you to hear/feel. Crouching Tiger,
Hidden Dragon: There is more space/air in this Soundtrack (nowhere NEAR as compressed as TRON), so the warmth/fullness
of the Coppers can be a real benefit if out in the real world. Too thin/lacking in bass of an iem can be hard to enjoy if there is
a lot of ambient noise or even bone induction from just walking around (found that out with this soundtrack and other iems).
Beautiful and dreamy presentation, if I may get so poetic. As with any phones, be they head/ear/iems…you can create
combinations of sound with source, amp, and/or EQ. The Coppers respond well to mixing up the gear. It has been a lot of fun
learning about my sources and amps with the Coppers.System and Accessories: Accessories are usually not a huge factor to
me in choosing a headphone but this is an earphone. And a universal in-ear monitor which requires a seal with the use of
silicone tips. Opening the Turbine Pro Coppers box is pretty much like Christmas when you were a kid (um, if you grew up in
the U.S. and got to open a bunch of little presents). It seems like the Monster team used their development resources to
design, create, and include a TON of stuff for you to open up and try. It's a great big starter kit to get you into universal iems
and to help get that elusive seal PLUS comfort. I now have one set of tips on the Coppers that I like in my ears right now and
I still see 15 other pairs in front of me. So, there should really be something that fits everyone in this set. There will probably
still be a process of trying different tips and getting used to a set though…especially if this is your first universal iem.I wasn't
looking forward to the universal tip fitting process as it took months and all sorts of different tips to find some that I really
liked with my first iems (IE8s) that also didn't adversely affect sound signature. I bought Auveos, Sony Hybrids, Comply, and
also replacement tips from Sennheiser. Finally, I liked the "plastic foam" Sennheiser tips the best. Well, Monster includes a
bunch of tips including those that are kind of a "plastic foam" with harder plastic sound tubes inside to lessen the dampening
effect that foam can have on frequencies- they give you FIVE SIZES of this type. Because all of the tips are made for the
Pro-Turbine line, they also actually FIT the nozzles. This should not be underestimated as a benefit. Many of us were worried
about breaking the plastic nozzle off of the IE8 while trying out other brand tips. These tips fit and are easy to put onto the
METAL nozzles. This reduces stress and you kind of want to try all the tips to see what they sound and feel like. (Putting the
triple flanges on are the most difficult but not that bad and you aren't going to break the metal housing.) My favorite tips are
the extra small and small ones, I rotated around with them and liked them all at different times.A BIG pet peeve of mine is
buying a pair of sunglasses for $200 and getting a cheap case that SQUEEZES the glasses in and bends the arms. Really???
So I made sure that you can ACTUALLY fit the iems in each of the cases plus some other stuff. Why 2 cases? Well, I love it…
the one with magnetic flap for the iems and the 1/4" adapter in the pocket. The other, fabric with metal spring-clasp pouch
fits all of the tips while you are trying to figure out how big the holes in your ears are. After you narrow it down you also
have the choice of using a supplied tip holder. Then you can put an extension cable or storage cards in the spring-clasp
pouch. I personally have a bunch of little black nylon zipper-pouches that I got as product sample prototypes at my day job
and can tell what is in them by feel. Monster offers a cool solution to the "useless case phenomenon" with the two cases.
(They could have made the magnetic flap pouch thinner, it takes up unnecessary space in the pocket with its padding...
These are metal iems with a great warranty. That combo already makes them portable and tough enough!) The iems come
with two small Velcro cable ties. Most people will lose them the first day. I really like having them but the two sides aren't
stitched together so the hook and loop sides are coming apart at the glue. Need superglue or stitching. Cable? Thicker than
many, but kind of spring-loaded. Would make it more difficult to wear cable "over the ear", I would think. (I like them worn
down. At first they feel like they aren't in that securely but I am used to them now.) I did hear some microphonics (rubbing
noise transmitted through the cable) which I didn't used to notice that much in iems but now that I listen for it I do hear it…so
I attached the clip and haven't noticed it much since. Ear guides are adjustable wire with matching copper and color coded
for right/left. I wasn't able to really get these to hold tips for a good seal but I don't have problems without them, thankfully.
Because these iems prefer a lighter seal and shallower insertion than some iems, I don't know if I could run in them. They
are lighter than they look but unless there is memory wire and they are worn over the ear, I find iems a bit difficult to run
with. Fit and finish and overall quality are surprisingly good for everything in the box. You feel like they tried to deliver
everything. And, if you like the sound signature and presentation that I described, then they did. For around $219 [...]
currently, I think this could be a great way to get into universal iems. The experience of getting tips to fit and sound good can
be trying and is a learning experience. This system gives you everything you should need to go through that process, keep it
all organized, and carry it with you. WRAP UP: If you don't want to feel like you are missing anything in bass, mids, treble,
tips, iem construction (minus the driver flexing), carrying cases, experience of owning a high-end iem "system", and enjoy a
pleasing speaker sound…you should love these. If you don't like a good amount of bass and warmth though, you might be
better suited to a pair of iems that have a different "flavor" or presentation. Remember that the Coppers are pretty revealing
and can be improved or tuned by source or amp!HAVE FUN on your journey to good sound.
By CEE TEE from California, USA
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