Jeg har læst en masse omkring indstilling af Panasonic projektor ptae 700, og jeg har følgende spørgsmål som I kan hjælpe mig med. Jeg ønsker optimal kontrast ikke nødvendigvis det billede med mest lys.

Jeg har en Ptae 700 med et Quality Screen 120" lærred i kontrast gray med gain på 0,8 og jeg har lige fået et filter Hoya fl-day magen til det Biojensen bruger, og jeg har en Denon dvd 1920 med et supra 12m. Hdmi kabel til, jeg kører 720P. Jeg har læst en masse på AVS forum også den lange tråd på 80 sider. Jeg har prøvet en del af indstillingerne også dem i den advancerede menu. Men jeg er ikke helt tilfreds. Jeg har Avia justerings dvd, og DVE justerings dvd. Jeg må nok erkende at jeg er ikke 100m. mester i dem,

Er der evt. en af jer med de helt store forkromede øjne og øre der har lyst til at hjælpe mig med at justere billed og lyd, Jeg skal selvfølgelig nok betale udgifter og hvis I skal have noget for det

Der er jo gået en del tid, hvor der ikke er kommet ret mange nye tråde omkring indstilling af pj. er der ikke noget der sidder med en masse guldkorn

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Se evt. her http://www.hifi4all.dk/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17168&K W=PT%2DAE700 - kan være det er til lidt hjælp

den har jeg læst, dog uden at blive meget klogere da jeg bruger filter

bruger du filter?

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Uden filter her

Er der ikke andre der har et godt bud og der kører med filter

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er der nogen der har mod på at hjælpe med en justering af billede og lyd

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hej

 

jeg køre ikke med filter.

men her er lidt du kan lege med.

TWEAK LIST 1:

Flicker tweak. Get into the options menu and highlight OSD. Hold down the enter button for 3 seconds to get into the service menu Once you are there, highlight the flicker tweak and hit enter. You will see the screen go to different colors as you hit the up or down button. A value will be at the bottom of the display that can be adjusted righ or left. Every projector is different so adjust until you see the least flicker in each one of the color modes. This tweak has a lot of positives in eliminating many erroneous artifacts like peekaboo scanlines abd vertical banding. I want to emphasize older PlayStation2s seem to have a problem with the AE700 in showing massive VB when in progressive mode. My simple fix was to turn off the progressive scan on the PS2 altogether. It totally eliminated the VB. I feel the upscale from the projectors scaler is almost as goos as the progressive scan from the ps2. This seems to be working for some old DVD players as well.

2. Sharpness adjustment. Get into the service menu the same way and hit the service menu button. The up, down, left and right buttons will scroll through colors and adjustment screens. I found the crosshatch pattern in white to work the best for adjusting the sharpness. Get as close as you can to the screen or have someone help you at the screen. Turn the focus on the projector ring until it becomes perfectly sharp. If you want to defocus slightly for any screen noise, that is fine too. I personally find that setting the sharpness in the main picture menu to -2 does a better job at giving you a more filmlike picture without losing subtle details. If you notice a small amuount of red or or blue fringing, that is probably normal. Mine at 110" was less than a couple mm in red fringing. It does not affect the picture on any regular source. I hope this helps.

Natural mode with color temp at -1 will give you fairly accurate color reproduction without any additional tweaking. If it seems too dull then you might either have a problem with ambient light, or your previous display was tweaked to oversaturate colors and you may need a while for your eyes to adjust to more accurate color reproduction.

PICTURE MODE NORMAL

CONTRAST 0
BRIGHT +3
COLOUR -13
TINT ( NTSC ) -1
SHARPNESS -2
COLOUR TEMP 0
DYNAMIC IRIS ON

ADVANCED MENU

GAMMA HIGH 0
GAMMA MID 0
GAMMA LOW 0
CONTRAST R 0
CONTRAST G -4
CONTRAST B +7
BRIGHT R -2
BRIGHT G 0
BRIGHT B 0

OPTION

QSD ON
NR OFF
CINEMA REALITY OFF
BACK COLOR BLUE
WSS ON
FRONT/REAR FRONT
DESK/CEILING DESK
FAN CONTROL NORMAL
LAMP PWER HIGH

EXT OPTION ( press OSD for 4 seconds to enter this mode )

FREEZE MSG OFF
PIC.SHIFT ON
RUNTIME PRT ON
FAN FULL MODE OFF
AUTO SETUP NORMAL
FLICKER ADJ
-DESK BLUE 25
-DESK RED 24
-DESK GREEN 24
525i LEVEL C
625I LEVEL C

With the projector now set up we will now have a closer look at it

Video Mode
Contrast 0
Bright -5
Color -6
Tint 0
Sharp -6
Color Temp 0
Dyn Iris On (low lamp)

Natural
Contrast 0
Bright -5
Color 0
Tint -2
Sharp -6
Color Temp 0
Dyn Iris On (low lamp)

Normal
Contrast 0
Bright 0
Color -8
Tint +1
Sharp -6
Color Temp 0
Dyn Iris On (low lamp)

Dynamic
Contrast 0
Bright 0
Color -5
Tint +2
Sharp -9 (more agressive deafult edge enhancement this mode)
Color Temp 0
Dyn Iris On (low lamp)

Cinema1
Contrast 0
Bright -1
Color -2
Tint 0
Sharp -6
Color Temp 0
Dyn Iris On (low lamp)

Cinema2
Contrast 0
Bright -2
Color 0
Tint 0
Sharp -6
Color Temp 0
Dyn Iris On (low lamp)

Cinema3
Contrast 0
Bright -2
Color +10 (!)
Tint -6 (!)
Sharp -6
Color Temp 0
Dyn Iris On (low lamp)

TWEAK LIST 2:

THE AE700 TWEAK LIST_______

1) The most accurate colors (for movies) with the least effort can be achieved by using "Natural" picture mode with color temperature set to -1. This is documented here after careful, sophisticated measurement.

2) You can access the service menu by:
Press Menu->Option
highlight "OSD"
Hold "ENTER" down for 3 seconds

There is an entry in the service menu called "Service Mode" which provides many helpful test images. They can be used to check for stuck & dead pixels, as well as panel alignment and other potential problems. [NOTE: There is also a second service menu which can be accessed by holding down "ENTER" for three seconds while the "Pic Shift" selection is highlighted in the first service menu. The limited settings in that menu do not seem as useful.]

3) FIRMWARE. Panasonic has released new firmware. Version 1.05 and higher fix several known problems. You can check your firmware version in the service menu under 'Self Check'.

The service menu differences between firmware 1.03 and 1.05 are underlined below:
FREEZE MSG (on)
HD OVERSCAN (off)
RUNTIME PRT (on)
FAN FULLMODE (off)
AUTO SETUP (normal)
SELF CHECK
SERVICE MODE
FLICKER ADJ
SD LEVEL (c)
525p OS (off)
HDCP1 (a)
HDCP2 (on)

Here's what the 1.03 menu looks like (Japanese model):

4) Flicker tweak. This tweak is a response to vertical banding (VB) problems. VB consists of translucent vertical lines across your screen (like jail bars). They are often more noticeable when the content you are projecting consists of large, lighter, solid colors. In movies, VB could become apparent in a scene where smoke, fog, or sky fills the screen.

Look for "FLICKER ADJ" in the service menu. Settings vary unit to unit, but several people have experienced improved (lessened) VB after LOWERING the default flicker values even if you do not see flickering on them in this service menu. Make sure you adjust for the mode you are using, or all modes (desk/ceiling). My settings are Red&Blue=23, Green=26.

You can further reduce VB by switching the power off on the unit when you are done using it instead of leaving it in standby. Several theories have been proposed to explain why cutting the power lessens or eliminates VB, but no one is 100% sure why it works. I have hard wired my projector to a wall switch for this very purpose.

Several people have suggested scenes in movies to test your unit for VB problems. I have found nothing better/simpler than projecting a full screen solid color - several colors are good for this, I use a bluish gray, RGB=58/110/165

[NOTE: Many users have reported that "flicker" and also "VB" stabilize over time. After 200 hours I can confirm similar observations on my unit. There is less flicker and less VB now than when the unit was newer.]

5) Overscan is a problem for both VGA and HDMI inputs but can be easily eliminated with tweaking on the VGA input, and possibly eliminated on the HDMI input IF you have firmware version 1.05 or higher(?) - early reports say this is not the case however.

For VGA: Start by feeding the projector a standard 1280x720 resolution. Since this is not always a resolution that is included with most video card drivers, you may need to install the free Rage3D tweak utility or any similar utility to enable this resolution.

LINK to free Rage3D Tweak utility

After you have switched to the proper resolution, run the "Auto" function found in the AE700's position menu to auto set the pixel timings, you may notice that your desktop image is still cropped on the left side. Reboot your machine at this point. For me it came up perfect after reboot, but you may need to re-run "AUTO" again after rebooting.

To confirm that everything is correctly set, you can use Mark Rejhon's test pattern explained here. Make sure you use the bitmap version (shown below) and tile it on your desktop. To do this, right click the image below, then choose "set as background (or wallpaper)". Minimize all windows, then right click your desktop, go into properties, then desktop, and choose to tile this image.

 

[Note: the "AUTO" option in the position menu is NOT available on the HDMI input. As stated earlier, you can only fix cropping on HDMI if you have firmware version 1.05 or higher and even then maybe not .]

6) White flash. I have never seen this phenomena, but based on user reports it seems to only occur on the HDMI input (and possibly only when feeding an HDCP signal?). Panasonic has suggested that firmware versions 1.05 or higher should eliminate this problem.

The white flash problem may be linked to the scaler/video processor. There also may be a link to certain DVD players, specifically users have reported white flash problems with Denon players more than others, however the problem has been reported on MANY different brands AND on HTPCs (using DVI/HDMI). Other users have reported that they only see the white flash problem when scaling. When they send the projector a 1280x720p signal, there is no white flash problem. If you are using a home theater PC, you should try using FFDShow (its free) to scale the picture to 1280x720.

The white flash problem may also be the result of inferior cables. Some people using quality cables report no white flash issues (the ULTRALINK HDMIPRO-10M Platinum Series HDMI-to-HDMI Cable has been recommended for very long runs, but it will set you back a couple hundred $s. This cable was tested by an AVS forum member / cable testing nut, and was the ONLY non-optical cable he had tested that was capable of delivering flawless 1080p signals over such great length -- not that it matters to you since the AE700 can't even display 1080p but here's to future proofing your cabling and avoiding white flashes!). At least one forum member reported a big decrease in white flashes when he changed cables although it did not eliminate the problem completely.

A couple people reported white flash problems (apparently of a different variety) over analog inputs. One forum member has reportedly eliminated his analog white flash problems completely by taking the ASPECT RATIO menu item off AUTO and setting it to MANUAL. Note that this is not possible using the HDMI input. This analog white flash issue may result from the projector's software constantly monitoring the aspect ratio of the source material and getting it wrong occasionally as aspect ratio ID data is corrupted due to poor replay, signal loss/interference, or a damaged disk. The member reporting this believed the white flashes looked like the projector was losing horizontal lock. This seems to be a very rare problem, I have never seen it myself using the VGA input.

7) Peek-a-boo scan lines. Apparently this is some type of narrow horizontal line noise that can be seen during video which contains a lot of vertical movement (?). I have not noticed this problem on my unit. Not sure if there are any tweaks for it, but I will update if any are mentioned.

8) HDMI Issues . As already noted, you must have firmware 1.05 or higher to resolve picture cropping problems over HDMI, as well as other issues such as white flash. Early reports say cropping is still a problem on firmware 1.05 though.

Another issue many users have reported is excessive artificial sharpening by default on the HDMI input. You can reduce this by entering the standard "picture" menu and turning down sharpness as far as it will go.

 

Someone also said they managed to totally remove VB and FPN by setting all numbers in the flicker panel the same.

Video Mode
Contrast 0
Bright -5
Color -6
Tint 0
Sharp -6
Color Temp 0
Dyn Iris On (low lamp)

Natural
Contrast 0
Bright -5
Color 0
Tint -2
Sharp -6
Color Temp 0
Dyn Iris On (low lamp)

Normal
Contrast 0
Bright 0
Color -8
Tint +1
Sharp -6
Color Temp 0
Dyn Iris On (low lamp)

Dynamic
Contrast 0
Bright 0
Color -5
Tint +2
Sharp -9 (more agressive deafult edge enhancement this mode)
Color Temp 0
Dyn Iris On (low lamp)

Cinema1
Contrast 0
Bright -1
Color -2
Tint 0
Sharp -6
Color Temp 0
Dyn Iris On (low lamp)

Cinema2
Contrast 0
Bright -2
Color 0
Tint 0
Sharp -6
Color Temp 0
Dyn Iris On (low lamp)

Cinema3
Contrast 0
Bright -2
Color +10 (!)
Tint -6 (!)
Sharp -6
Color Temp 0
Dyn Iris On (low lamp)

HDMI/HDMI-kabel fra Real Cable med HDMI/DVI-overgang inn i 2910:

Natural:

Kontrast: +5
Brightess: -7
Colour: -4
Tint: +1
Sharpness: -4

Cinema 1:

Kontrast: +7
Brightness: -4
Colour: -5
Tint: +4
Sharpness: -4

 

håber du kan bruge det noget 

kokken

hej

det til ville jeg lige tilføje, mit setup er

denon 2910

supre hdmi 8 meter ( det nye der godkendt i usa )

harman kardon 8500

panny ae700

jeg skal til at rode lidt med med mit setup, så jeg skal nok komme med input,

hvis jeg skulle falde over noget.

kokken

 

Har prøvet det meste at det , og jeg har også læst dine indlæg med den største begejstring samt avs forum, jeg tror / håber jeg kan finde en med et godt kendskab til DVE eller AVIA som der kan komme forbi til en lille lyd/billed justering hvis der findes sådan en

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Med alt respekt så nytter det ikke meget at andre kommer forbi og sætter din projektor op til det som de syntes ser rigtigt ud for det er i sidste ende dig som skal se på den;-)

Jeg ville forslå dig at kigge inde på avsforum.com med hensyn til projektorens indstillinger og derfra finde frem til noget, som ser godt ud med dine egne øjne, husk dog at indstille kontrasten og brightness bagefter da disse ofte er blevet lidt forskudt.

At folk har godt kenskab til en simpel opsætnings DVD er ikke løsningen, da disse kun hjælper med til at overkomme de mest overfladiske indstillinger. Der er jo trods alt en grund til at der er firmaer som har skabt en forretning ud af at tweake projektorer.

Jeg ville håbe3 at den der har lyst og jeg kunne finde en god indstilling, jeg har prøvet en masse indstillinger fra avs

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csn1903 skrev: Jeg ville håbe3 at den der har lyst og jeg kunne finde en god indstilling, jeg har prøvet en masse indstillinger fra avs

 

hej

hvad er det, du gerne vil have til at se bedre ud ??

eller skulle du prøve synoptik  

skriv hvad dit problem er, så kokken prøver vi at starte for en ende af

 

kokken

 

Jeg har lige været forbi synoptik og få pudset mine briller

Når jeg ser en mørk skærm så er det ligesom den bliver grynet sort/blå prikker i det mørkeste, og mine farver synes jeg heller ikke står perfekt grønne træer bilver ikke ordentlig grønne blå himmel / skyer ser ike ret godt ud. Det er bare ligesom der mangler noget. kontrasten er blevet bedre med filter på, men alligevel er det ikke godt nok, jeg ved godt at panasonic ae 700 ikke er en out of the box pj. så mit håb er at når den er optimal så ved jeg at med mit grej så kan det ikke gøres bedre, og så får jeg vel ro?

Det er vel sådan med alle nørder at der er altid noget der kan gøres bedre

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hej billede er lidt lille, men kunne du leve med det??

det er ikke et af de bedst jeg har, men jeg vil prøve at tage nogle bedre,

så kan du måske, se om du syntes de er gode, så kan jeg skrive mit setup

kokken

De her settings er de nok mest populære og kommer fra en fyr der hedder Brad Bissel. Eftersigende skulle det få kontrast niveauet op på 2200 (hvilket er MEGET for en AE700) og stadig beholde farverne naturlige:

Mode: Video
Lamp: High

Gamma High: 0
Gamma Mid: 0
Gamma Low: 0
Contrast R: 0
Contrast G: +5
Contrast B: +4
Bright R: -2
Bright G: -2
Bright B: -1

Kontrast og brightness er det en god ide så efterfølgende selv at indstille så de passer til ens opsætning men det er nu ikke så avanceret. (de her settings er iøvrigt lavet til dem som bruger et filter)

De der indstillinger andre folk har lavet er fuldstændig ubrugelige i andre rum. Bare der er forskel på  lærred, baggrundslys (helt mørkt er ikke altid helt mørkt), se-afstanden, kablet, DVD-afspilleren eller hvad kilden er, vil give en helt anden optimal indstilling.

Der er kun een vej frem: Brug de der test-DVDer du har. Der er som regel en god forklaring med discen (manual eller on-screen) der forklarer hvad man skal kigge efter.

Det er også meget sjovere, og mere tilfredsstillende når man har gjort det selv.

NriK skrev: De der indstillinger andre folk har lavet er fuldstændig ubrugelige i andre rum. Bare der er forskel på  lærred, baggrundslys (helt mørkt er ikke altid helt mørkt), se-afstanden, kablet, DVD-afspilleren eller hvad kilden er, vil give en helt anden optimal indstilling. Der er kun een vej frem: Brug de der test-DVDer du har. Der er som regel en god forklaring med discen (manual eller on-screen) der forklarer hvad man skal kigge efter. Det er også meget sjovere, og mere tilfredsstillende når man har gjort det selv.

Ja, rummet har bestemt indflydelse men de opsætnings DVD'er er altså ikke synderligt gode og de kan primært bruges til mere basale opsætninger. Hvis man virkligt ønsker at få noget ud af sin projektor er der brug for måleudstyr som de færreste har adgang til eller ønske om at investere i.

Men det er netop med hensyn til bla. rummet at jeg anbefaler at man selv indstiller sin brightness og kontrast efterfølgende, da disse rent faktisk er ting som man kan indstille relativt præcist via  en opsætnings dvd.

Ja jeg har justeret efter Brad Bissel, og jeg får ikke så flot billed som den kære kok har.

Ja jeg vilmeget gerne se flere screen shot, er du en haj til DVE

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Her er en god artikel om hvorfor man, især på LCD-projektorer, ikke bare kan kopiere andres indstillinger og regne med at så er alt i orden:

http://www.cine4home.de/knowhow/ProjoTuning/Part4/Streuung.h tm

En DVE-skive er iøvrigt med hensyn til gråtoner intet værd uden enten et erfarent øje eller helst noget måleudstyr (OG et erfarent øje...). DVE osv. er rigtigt god til at lave en grundlæggende justering af kontrast, brightness, sharpness og farve, men uden yderligere hjælpemidler og/eller en vis portion erfaring, kan den ikke direkte bruges til at justere R-G-B niveauer. Under alle omstændigheder, så er du bedre stillet ved at bruge dine egne øjne end ved blindt at kopiere indstillingerne fra et andet apparat.

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Hvor billigt skal et dårligt tv være for at være et godt køb?

csn1903 skrev: Ja jeg vilmeget gerne se flere screen shot, er du en haj til DVE

Og screenshots kan iøvrigt på INGEN måde bruges til at vurdere om dit billede er lige så godt som andres!

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Hvor billigt skal et dårligt tv være for at være et godt køb?