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Well, så slap der endeligt lidt info ud om de nye B&W højtalere.

Hele 800 serien bliver opdateret. Blandt nyhederne kan nævnes "Diamant diskanter" ligesom hos Avalon som skulle række op til 70Khz. Ændrede delefiltre, andre enheder etc..

Blandt de virkeligt spændende ting, kan nævnes en helt ny center højtaler med marlon hovede..

Se selv på dette link (kan ikke poste bildederne, så hvis en anden kan gøre det ville det være perfekt!)

http://www.hificlube.net/common/ver_artigo.asp?id_artigo=490 &seccao=Noticias&subseccao=Noticias

Beklager at det er på Portugesisk - Iflg. rygter skulle Stereophile poste det første review online i næste uge.

Eneste minus er at priserne ser ud som om de kommer til at stige kraftigt.. Lidt fra web'en..

Some more pricing from Audio Asylum

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Cost of B&W 800 Diamond : $20,000 (per pair)
Cost of B&W 801 Diamond : $16,000 (per pair)
Cost of B&W 802 Diamond : $12,000 (per pair)
Cost of B&W 803 Diamond : $8,000 (per pair)
Cost of B&W HTM1 Diamond Center Channel: $8,000

That's a serious centre channel!

PS - I'm told that the diamond tweeter cost is $750 a speaker - its the extra woofer in the 803D that adds the $500. So the logic is:

  • Current 803 = $2,500 + $250 for series 2 improvement + $750 for diamond tweeter + $500 for 3rd woofer so 803D = $4,000 each or $8,000 a pair
  • Current 802 - $5000 + $250 for series 2 improvements + $750 for diamond tweeter so 802D = $6,000 each or $12,000 a pair
  • Current 805 = $1000 + 250 for series 2 improvements so 805S = $1,250 each or $2,500 a pair
  • Current 803 = $2,500 + $250 for series 2 improvements so 803S = $2,750 each or $5,500 a pair
  • Current 804 - $1,750 + $250 for series 2 improvements so 804S = $2,000 or $4,000 a pair

And for the 800D and 801D B&W adopted the pricing of their existing Nautilus Signature series speakers on the grounds that these new speakers well and truely exceeded the performance of that range...

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De ser sg godt ud, men jeg kan ikke se noget billede af 802'eren

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Den HTM1D kandiderer vist til årets dårligste design - hold kæft den er grim!
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jeg synes htm1d er fed...

dog lidt meget 7xx serie over det "nye" design...

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Fårk, hvor er den center bare lækker.

Jeg vil gerne bede om et 7.1 surround set-up, hvor skal jeg skrive under?

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Well - så kom den officielle release. Ud over de allerede nævnte er der også nye subs..

November 17 2004

The New 800 Series

Overview

In simultaneous launch events in London and New York, Bowers & Wilkins has announced a new 800 Series, available globally from B&W’s authorised 800 Series dealers on January 15 2005. Promising an even greater advance in performance than was heralded in 1997 by the introduction of the Nautilus™ 800 Series, these remarkable loudspeakers redefine the reproduction of recorded sound.

Under their elegantly curved exterior, the new 800 models contain a mixture of brand new technologies, refinements to existing ideas, and all of the detail improvements made in the Signature™ 800 Series, possibly the best acclaimed range in B&W’s 38 year history.

Technology

Diamond dome tweeter

Perhaps the most radical innovation is the use of a diamond dome tweeter in the six top models (denoted with ‘D’ suffix). In typical B&W style, the use of diamond domes began as a lengthy research project with the aim of creating a better understanding of the relationship between drive unit behaviour and actual sound quality. This research is detailed at length in the 800D Development Paper and is simply explained by B&W’s Dr Gary Geaves (Head of Research) in the B&W DVD.

Crucially, B&W believes that it has made a significant advance in the journey towards the ultimate ambition of its founder, John Bowers - to create a transducer that truly neither adds to nor subtracts from the original signal. Subjectively, listeners report that the diamond dome tweeter affects every aspect of performance, but most notably creates an absolute

transparency and seamlessness to the whole midrange and treble region, bringing the listener closer to that elusive ideal of actually ‘being there’.

The remaining models in the 800 Series (denoted with a ‘S’ suffix) use the alloy domes that were developed for the Signature Series and improve considerably on the original Nautilus 800 iterations.

B&W’s pioneering use of Nautilus™ tweeter tubes continues in the new 800 Series. Moreover, in all models, the mechanical design has undergone further refinement and is considerably better damped and more isolated from energy in the main cabinet.

FST midrange driver

All the 3-way systems in the new 800 Series use an improved version of B&W’s FST™ midrange driver. This incorporates the improvements already made for the Signature 800 (aluminium phase plug and neodymium magnet system) as well as an improved chassis design. On the flagship products, the iconic Marlan® sphere/tube ‘head’ continues with detail changes to the interface with the tweeter tube.

Bass drivers

A dramatic change in the new 800 Series is the design of the bass drive units. To achieve dynamic and rhythmic low frequency performance, B&W has long believed in the use of stiff materials such as metal and a paper/Kevlar® mix. Advancing this principle has resulted in a new cone, having a sandwich construction using carbon fibre skins and a Rohacell® core. Rohacell® is a rigid foam, often used in the aircraft industry due to its light weight and high strength.

Although Rohacell® cones are not unique to B&W, up to now manufacture has been limited to the 1 - 2mm (0.04 – 0.08 in) thickness range. The new 800 bass drivers are 8mm (0.3 in) thick, which greatly increases the suppression of sound transmission through the bass unit itself (see the 800D Development Paper for measurement plots).

Crossovers

The development of the crossover design and component choice in all of the new 800 models represents a major proportion of the development time and improvement in performance. Extended listening tests are vital to distinguish between components that have superficially similar specifications, enabling the optimum choice for each application. For many years, B&W’s crossover philosophy has been to strive to optimise every aspect of a speaker’s mechanical design so that only the simplest electronic adjustment is required to balance the system acoustically and musically. It makes good engineering sense, as electrical components in the path cannot add to the signal's basic quality.

The crossover that feeds the tweeter section in all of the new 800 Series products best exemplifies this philosophy. It uses, for the first time in the 800 Series, a single series capacitor developed in conjunction with one of the foremost manufacturers in Europe.

B&W’s Senior Product Manager, Mike Gough, comments, "One of the listening sessions I took part in with the development engineers was to judge the specific change wrought by moving to a single component tweeter filter on the new 804s. To my ears, that change alone could have justified a change of generation let alone the range of improvements that would come later".

As a result of the move to 1st-order tweeter filters, the physical placement of the tweeter has moved forward towards the front of the baffle in order to achieve phase coherence with the midrange driver.

Cabinets

The striking curved cabinets of the 800 Series, manufactured in B&W’s cabinet factory in Denmark, have undergone refinements throughout the lifetime of Nautilus 800 Series. On all models in the new series, the main curved part of the cabinet is formed from a single piece of layered ply, eliminating a join at the rear of the cabinet. All models continue to use B&W’s patented Matrix™ bracing system.

A key development in two of the 800 Series subwoofers is the introduction of digital room correction, developed from B&W’s Listening Room Optimiser (LRO). Led by B&W’s Dr Peter Fryer, in collaboration with world-leading digital and psycho-acoustic consultants, the LRO concept resulted from a three-year research project and is the subject of several patents. It drastically improves the performance and integration of a subwoofer into real-world rooms by optimising the frequency response to deal with measured room acoustics.

The full range of 800 Series technologies is dealt with in detail in the 800D Development Paper.

Model range

The new 800 Series is a much bigger range than ever before, with new models added to reflect the continued growth of the home theatre category.

The 800D is the flagship: a 3-way system comprising 2x 250mm (10 in) Rohacell bass drivers, 1x 150mm (6 in) Kevlar FST mid driver and a 1x 25mm (1 in) diamond dome tweeter. As befits a flagship, the 800D contains several unique refinements, most notably the ultimate in crossover capacitors using silver and gold metals.

The 801D is already installed in Abbey Road’s Studio 3 and, for those that relish the sheer power of a 15-inch bass driver, is the ultimate studio or large room monitor. A 3-way system, it comprises 1x 380mm (15 in) Rohacell bass driver, 1x 150mm (6 in) Kevlar FST mid driver and 1x 25mm 1 in) diamond dome tweeter. The new 801's cabinet is larger than that of the outgoing Nautilus 801 to improve the bass performance, yet looks less daunting due to the changes in the styling of the base of the cabinet and the plinth.

The 802D continues as the most domestically sized model of the ‘headed’ products. A 3-way system, it comprises 2x 200mm (8 in) Rohacell bass drivers, 1x 150mm (6 in) Kevlar FST mid driver and 1x 25mm (1 in) diamond dome tweeter.

The 803D is a completely new speaker introduced as result of market feedback with the aim of providing something of the performance levels of the flagship 800 models but using a more conventional looking cabinet. Of slightly larger dimensions than the 803S, the 803D is a 3-way system comprising 3x 180mm (7 in) Rohacell bass drivers, 1x 150mm (6 in) Kevlar FST mid driver and 1x 25mm (1 in) diamond dome tweeter.

The 803S is a 3-way system comprising 2x 180mm (7 in) Rohacell bass drivers, 1x 150mm (6 in) Kevlar FST mid driver and 1x 25mm (1 in) alloy dome tweeter. The 803S’s cabinet, and internal Matrix, have been revised to increase stiffness, which has resulted in an increase in weight of 11kg (25 lb).

The 804S is the entry-level 3-way model in the 800 Series and comprises 2x 165mm (6.5 in) Rohacell bass drivers, 1x 150mm (6 in) Kevlar FST mid driver and 1x 25mm (1 in) alloy dome tweeter.

The 805S builds on the huge success of the Signature 805, offering greatly improved performance from the same cabinet design. It is a 2-way system comprising 1x 165mm (6.5 in) Kevlar bass/midrange driver and 1x 25mm (1 in) alloy dome tweeter, and a matching speaker stand is available.

The SCMS is based on the 805S and designed to offer 800 Series performance from an on-wall location. Ideal for Plasma based systems, for front, centre or rear location, it comprises 1x 165mm (6.5 in) Kevlar bass/midrange driver and 1x 25mm (1 in) baffle-mounted alloy dome tweeter. The SCMS comes complete with a wall bracket that allows both vertical and horizontal adjustment.

The HTM1D is the new flagship centre channel of the 800 Series. Referred to internally as the ‘Hummer’, it, for the first time, offers the Marlan head unit of the flagship 800 models in a

centre channel. It comprises 3x 200mm (8 in) Rohacell bass drivers, 1x 150mm (6 in) Kevlar FST driver and 1x 25mm (1 in) diamond dome tweeter.

The HTM2D is also a new model offering the diamond tweeter in a more conventional cabinet. It comprises 2x 180mm (7 in) Rohacell bass drivers, 1x 150mm (6 in) Kevlar FST driver and 1x 25mm (1 in) diamond dome tweeter.

The HTM3S builds on the outgoing Nautilus HMT1 and comprises 2x 165mm (6.5 in) Rohacell bass drivers, 1x 150mm (6 in) Kevlar FST driver and 1x 25mm (1 in) alloy dome tweeter.

The HTM4S builds on the outgoing Nautilus HTM2 and is near identical acoustically to the 805S. It comprises 1x 165mm (6.5 in) Kevlar mid/bass driver and 1x 25mm (1 in) alloy dome tweeter.

The DS8 is a new rear channel speaker designed for both dipole or monopole operation, selectable via a 12V trigger or mechanical switch. It comprises 1x 165mm (6.5 in) Kevlar bass/midrange driver, 2x 100mm (4 in) Kevlar midrange drivers and 3x 25mm (1 in) alloy dome tweeters.

The ASW875 (1x 380mm / 15 in) and ASW865 (1x 300mm / 12 in) both use Rohacell bass drivers, coupled to the same 1000w power amplifier and B&W’s digital room correction system. The ASW825 is identical to the outgoing ASW800, except for the upgrade of a 300mm (12 in) Rohacell cone driver.

All 800 Series models are available in Cherrywood, Rosenut and Black Ash finishes.

Available press resources:

‘Development of the 800D’ White Paper

B&W 800 brochure

B&W: A Sound Experience DVD

B&W 800 photo files

www.bwspeakers.com

Trademark Acknowledgements:

Kevlar is a registered trademark of Dupont. Rohacell is a registered trademark of Röhm GmbH & Co. KG. Marlan is a registered trademark of Polylac Holland bv. Nautilus, Signature, Matrix and FST are trademarks of B&W Loudspeakers Ltd.

For further press information please contact:

Asia Antony Yim antony@bwspeakerasia.com.hk

Denmark Kjell Nygaard knygaard@bwspeakers.com

Finland Johani Tolli jtolli@bwspeakers.fi

France Philippe Muller spidam@wanadoo.fr

Germany Peter Schulte p_schulte@bwspeakers.de

Greece Aris Kateroudakis info@tileoptiki.gr

Holland Rene Degens r.degens@bwspeakers.nl

Italy Dario Vitalini d.vitalini@audiogamma.it

Japan R Sawada ryuichi.sawada@marantz.co.jp

Norway Kjell Nygaard knygaard@bwspeakers.com

Portugal Franciso Ribeiro fribeiro@artaudio.pt

Spain Arturo Diaz arturodiaz@bwspain.com

Sweden Kjell Nygaard knygaard@bwspeakers.com

Russia Alexandra Ivanova alex@athifi.ru

Switzerland Fritz Fabig ffabig@bwspeakers.ch

UK Daniel Haikin dhaikin@bwspeakers.com

USA John Nicoll john@nicollpr.com

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Skal man lægge moms til de priser? Så er 802'eren jo tæt på 100.000. Jeg synes hifi bliver dyrere og dyrere efterhånden.
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Husk dollarkursen er lav og B&W er et UK-firma. Prisstigningerne må alt andet lige forventes mindre i Europa.
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marty skrev:
Skal man lægge moms til de priser? Så er 802'eren jo tæt på 100.000. Jeg synes hifi bliver dyrere og dyrere efterhånden.


Ja de bliver nok dyre lidt ? for de kunne bare lave mange til lager så kunne de få prisen ned .

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Tror I at de nye diamant diskanter er merprisen værd? Jeg forestiller mig at lyden må blive hård, men det er jo, så vidt jeg har læst, gået meget godt for Mårtens Coltrane.
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Tilgængeligheden skulle være lige omkring nytår, slevom de siger at de allerede er begyndt at shippe til forhandlere.

Sååååå - mon ikke vi kan forvente et oprydnings udsalg hos hifi klubben til januar...

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er jeg den eneste som under sig lidt over at der er ændret så lidt ved designet? Jeg mener B&W, har været markedsledere, og så kommer de op med et nyt design, bestående af en ny diskant?

Jeg ved ikke bestemt havd jeg havde forventet, men de har jo lavet lækre ting ved alle deres andre serier.

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Gad vide om det er muligt at opgadere sine nuværende Nautilus'er med de nye enheder ligesom Audiovector også giver mulighed for med nogle af sine produkter



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Bortset fra at audiovector har været så smart at prissætte opgraderinger så højt, at det næsten bedere kan betale sig at sælge de gamle og købe et sæt helt nye. Dermed får man osse fuld garanti med og alt er nyt. Altså en slags falsk sikkerhed med de opgraderinger. Og skide smart markedsføring... set fra audiovectors synspunkt.

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Jørgen skrev:

Bortset fra at audiovector har været så smart at prissætte opgraderinger så højt, at det næsten bedere kan betale sig at sælge de gamle og købe et sæt helt nye. Dermed får man osse fuld garanti med og alt er nyt. Altså en slags falsk sikkerhed med de opgraderinger. Og skide smart markedsføring... set fra audiovectors synspunkt.

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Gad vide om det er muligt at opgadere sine nuværende Nautilus'er med de nye enheder ligesom Audiovector også giver mulighed for med nogle af sine produkter

Audiovectors opgraderingspriser kan forhandles ned i et fornuftigt niveau  



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Det er muligt, men det det samme kan man så osse med et sæt nye højttalere.

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Hmmm...det er selvfølgelig rigtigt..priserne synes at være en smule pebrede



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Husk dollarkursen er lav og B&W er et UK-firma. Prisstigningerne må alt andet lige forventes mindre i Europa.
du blir da klogere
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skal vi så ikke bare købe Audiovector i danske kroner :-)
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mikp skrev:
OleJ skrev:
Husk dollarkursen er lav og B&W er et UK-firma. Prisstigningerne må alt andet lige forventes mindre i Europa.
du blir da klogere

"ALT ANDET LIGE", men du har ret - det er nok ikke så lige...

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