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Celebrities & Musicians with Tinnitus:

Neil Young - (loud music) main reason for his "acoustic" music during early 90's
Barbra Streisand - "Streisand has ascribed her volatile temperament to the tinnitus from which she has suffered since she was seven." source: news.independent.co.uk
Pete Townshend - "I have severe hearing damage. It's manifested itself as tinnitus, ringing in the ears at frequencies that I play guitar. It hurts, it's painful, and it's frustrating." Townshend is completely deaf in one ear from an explosion when Keith Moon blew up his drum set live on stage in the early 1960's and loud amps. He has tinnitus, resulting partly from the band's live gigs but mainly the deafening volume in which he and Entwistle used to listen to playbacks over the studio "cans." There are reports saying that he is unable even to hear his phone ring. The Sun newspaper reported Townshend said his hearing got worse after the band's recent US tour. Quote from Pete: "The recent return to touring and to me playing electric guitar - albeit more quietly than in the 1970s - led to further deterioration of my hearing," the 57-year-old said. "My right ear, which encounters my own edgy guitar and the machine gun strokes of the drums, has suffered badly. Luckily for me, I still have my left ear, which seems to be less @#%$ up. When I've worked solo in the past five years I've not used drums. This has meant I could play more quietly I think. With The Who, there is of course no way to play the old songs without drums. I've no idea what I can do about this. I am unable to perform with in-ear monitors. In fact, they increase the often unbearable tinnitus I suffer after shows." source from Sky News
John Entwhistle - According to Who scholar Andy Neill, Entwhistle was pretty deaf, and tended to rely on lip-reading. He didn't have tinnitus but still played bass at his usual "everything on 11" volume.
William Shatner - stage/prop explosion on set of StarTrek (during mid 1960's)
Leonard Nimoy - stage/prop explosion on set of StarTrek (during mid 1960's)
David Letterman - T in one ear, has had T a long time: Dave mentioned that he too had ringing in his ears, and has had it for a long time to William Shatner
Paul Schaffer - "He's got that?! I've got that!" on Billy Bob Thornton's character with Tinnitus in 'BANDITS'
Bill Clinton? - (wears hearing aid) T probably?
Tony Randall
Engelbert Humperdinck
Rosalynn Carter
Steve Martin - musician (banjo player), actor, comedian. He acquired Tinnitus while filming a pistol-shooting scene in "¡Three Amigos!" in 1986. "You just get used to it."
Leslie Nealson - (actor in Police Academy movies)
Mark O. Hatfield
Ronald Reagan
Jean-Jacques Rousseau - Influential eighteenth century political philosopher. From "Confessions" (1780) "...a great noise started up in my ears, a noise that was triple or rather quadruple, compounded of a low and muffled humming, a softer murmuring as though of running water, a piercing whistle...This internal noise was so loud that it robbed me of the keen ear I had previously enjoyed and made me, not completely deaf, but hard of hearing... in spite of the throbbing in my arteries and the humming in my ears, which since that time, some thirty years ago now, have never left me for a moment...The noise was irksome, but it caused me no suffering: it was not accompanied by any chronic affliction, apart from insomnia at night..." P. 222, Oxford World's Classics paperback edition, Oxford University Press, 2000
Jean-Francois Champollion - (1790-1832) Champollion was a French Egyptologist and scholar who is acknowledged as the father of modern Egyptology. He is best known for deciphering the Egyptian Hieroglyphs on the Rosetta Stone. His deciphering of hieroglyphics laid the foundations for modern Egyptology and Egyptian archaeology. In the book "The Keys to Egypt", it describes how Champollion drove himself to complete an encyclopedia of his work. "Depressed and feeling more and more unwell, Champollion now wrote to his brother about the damage done by the strain of work: 'My poor head hurts, my tinnitus, the humming and buzzing noises, has worsened and leaves me neither day nor night. I have frequent spasms and am incapable of occupying myself seriously for more than a quarter hour...' "
Richard Thomas
Brian Wilson? T? - deaf in one ear from when his father hit him in the head with a board at an early age
Dave Pirner - (Soul Asylum) (loud music)
Bob Mould - (alternative music icon)
Neve Campbell - loud dance clubs
Jeff Beck - band Yardbirds (loud music), From an interview with rock guitarist Jeff Beck: "Yes, it's in my left ear. It's excruciating... I mean, it's the worst thing 'cause it's not... It never... It does go away - it's not true to say that it doesn't but, uhh... It doesn't... The doctors say it won't... It isn't actually going away - you've just gotta suppress... They try to come to terms with what it actually... Why some people fear it - that's the psychology behind it. They know it's there but why is it such a horrible sound? Well, you can say why is a guy scratching at a window with his nails such a horrible sound - I couldn't put up with that! This is worse!"
As Jeff told MTV - June 1993, He was asked to do a special guest spot with Guns 'n' Roses but he had to cancel after the rehearsal severely aggravated his tinnitus.
Burt Reynolds
Sting - (loud music)
Liberty Divito - (Billy Joel's drummer) (loud music)
Eric Clapton - (loud amplifiers)
Eric Johnson - has developed T (loud music/amps); source from Guitar Player Magazine interview: "I'd run two Marshall stacks onstage and crank the monitors. I started using Fender Deluxe Reverb amps and 50-watt Marshalls around '97, after I started having some problems with tinnitus. It was my own doing -- being irresponsible and thinking I was invincible...Yes, though it has been better lately. Take care and wear plugs. Don't think it can't happen to you. When I had a speaker reconed at the been here for years reconing shop in Austin the owner said, "I've reconed speakers for every guitarist in Austin for years and as far as I know there aren't any rock 'n roll lead guitarists here who don't have tinnitus to some degree or another. Many have it so bad they have trouble sleeping."
James Hetfield - Metallica rhythm guitar and uses Sonic II Ear plugs
Lars Ulrich - drummer for Metallica
Vanilla Fudge - Tim Bogert (bassist): "Tinnitus, big time. That’s the price you pay for having a darn good time. Nothing’s free!"
Radiohead - lead singer
Motorhead - Lemmy Kilminster (thrash-punk-metal pioneers): "We just like it loud, you know?"
Kevin Shields - guitarist/singer for My Bloody Valentine: "I did the damage to my ears listening to mixes in headphones at very loud levels without giving my ears time to recover."
Blinda Butcher - bassist/singer for My Bloody Valentine: "I had a punctured ear drum which fortunately they were able to put right but for a while I couldn't hear out of one ear and it was very depressing. On stage we all wear hearing protection and encourage anyone who sees us regularly to do the same."
George Martin? - retired from music due to hearing loss
George Harrison? - had hearing damage from loud music
Thomas Edison
Graham Cole - UK actor and singer, suffers tinnitus and hearing loss
Sylvester Stallone
Ted Nugent - Amboy Dukes guitarist: "My left ear is pretty much whacked. But I can still hear really good in my right ear. Early on, I would stick shell casings, which I always had handy, in my ear, to protect my right ear because that was the one that was facing the amp the most."
Rick Emmett - Triumph, from Guitar Player Magazine
Bono - U2 lead singer, he even sings about it in his lyrics. Bono derived his name from a hearing aid store in his hometown of Dublin, Ireland which had a sign that read 'Bonavox Hearing Aids'.
The Edge - U2 guitar player
Ben Bossi - Saxophone player for Romeo Void. From a VH1 interview: His ears had started ringing and he was losing his hearing when the band was in it's heyday. He quit playing the sax after the band broke up and hasn't played since.
Peter Jennings
Jerry Stiller - Frank Costanza on Seinfeld
Lorence Henderson
Jeff Beck
Husker Du/Sugar - frontman
Dwight D. Eisenhower
Martin Luther
Phil Collins - sources: newspapers/website. From Sky News: He will have to severely cut back on live performances "thanks to the buzzing in his ears."
"Phil Collins recently declared an end to his concert touring because of the hearing loss he has suffered. The 51 year-old former Genesis drummer and vocalist announced that he will perform live only occasionally to avoid further hearing loss on his hearing damaged left ear." source from hear-it.org
Cher
Morgan Fairchild - T? Actress; She was born a preemie who developed scarlet fever. She has so many kidney and ear infections as a child that she admits she is "partially deaf."
Cheryl Tiegs - Super model
Blixa Bargeld - (Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds / Einstuerzende Neubauten)
Ozzy Ozborne
Huey Lewis
Tony Franklin
Alan Shepard - (T and Meniere's Disease)
Ira Flatow - National Public Radio - Host, Talk of the Nation: Science Friday
"Some interesting and hopeful news for people, like myself, millions of us, who have a constant ringing in one or both of our ears... Researchers have figured out where in the brain that ringing- called tinnitus - originates." Click on the below link to view and listen to Ira Flatow's program on Tinnitus with guests: Dr. Alan Lockwood (Professor of Neurology, Nuclear Medicine, and Communicative Disorders and Sciences, State University of New York at Buffalo, Research Physician, Veterans Administration Hospital, Buffalo, New York) and Dr. Richard Salvi (Professor of Communicative Disorders and Sciences, State University of New York at Buffalo, Buffalo, New York) Science Friday: Tinnitus
Don Imus
Vincent Van Gogh - maybe why he cut off his ear
Ludwig Van Beethoven - Famously deaf, Beethoven was also a famous tinnitus sufferer. The great composer was driven mad by "rushing and roaring sounds" in his head.
Robert Schumann - composer
Bedrich Smetana - it was a high E, and it was in his string quartet "From My Life."
Charles Darwin - who kept records of its daily amplitude and frequency
CliveBarker - T? disturbing story "Dread"
Stewart Copeland - hearing loss but no T yet
Keanu Reeves - plays bass in the band Dogstar
Larry King said he has tinnitus on his left ear. He also said his is very low and it dosn't bother him
Dave Swarbrick - fiddle player Fairport Convention mammoth onstage amplification (ironic for a 'folk rock' band).
Charles Arthur - guitar player
Charlie Haden - jazz bassist, Charlie Haden to Charles Arthur (Q&A), "Over the years I have learned to adjust my life to this problem and accepted these ear problems as part of my being. In other words, I tell myself that I've been this way since I was born. This helps me to reduce the stress and frustration of this condition. I wear earplugs when I play that cut out 32 db's, as well as using plexiglass baffles. You are seeing the right person in Dr. Jack Vernon. Many musicians have this problem. I take it you know about "Tinnitus Today" and "H.E.A.R." from Dr. Vernon. Good luck and keep positive, Charlie Haden"
Kathy Peck - bass player/singer-songwriter: "My life had really changed when I experienced the loss of my hearing and Tinnitus damage after the Contractions opened up for Duran Duran." H.E.A.R. - "As a former bass player and singer for the San Francisco rock band The Contractions, Kathy had suffered hearing damage while playing a set at the Oakland Coliseum in l984. The repeated exposure to excessive noise caused a ringing sensation in her ears called tinnitus, as well as decreasing her ability to hear."
Michael Tomlinson - musician/singer-songwriter: After an ear infection, he temporarily lost 90% of his hearing for a few weeks, but still has Tinnitus in one ear. Source from: E-mail correspondence
Al Di Meola - musician/guitarist: "I do. That's why i don't play electric anymore."
John Densmore - drummer for The Doors, Ray Manzarek says that things are looking grim for Densmore, in terms of his future as a musician: "Tinnitus, man, you can't...You know, there's nothing you can do about it. It doesn't get better. It can only get worse--that's the hell of that thing. You'd say, 'Well, you know, when it's better, you're gonna play, man.' Well, it doesn't get better. The nature of that problem is that it can only get worse."
Jimmy Savile - "It doesn't bother me in the slightest," he told Michael Church. "It reminds me of all the girls I've known, and all the discos. I'm very happily ensconced with this friend inside my head." Source from: news.independent.co.uk
Michael Church - "I acquired my own tinnitus in the stupidest possible way: on the rifle range at Catterick army camp, while training as an officer cadet. St Albans School in the late Fifties was a grotesquely spartan place, where ear-defenders were unheard of (my fellow victim Stephen Hawking improvised earplugs from blotting paper, and the doctor had to dig them out). After a noisy afternoon with a Bren firing 12 inches from my left ear, I returned home deafened, and though my hearing eventually returned (minus the high frequencies), I was left with a loud hiss. (Yes, I should have sued both the school and the MoD, but 16-year-olds don't have time for such niceties.)" Source from: news.independent.co.uk
Francis Rossi - lead singer and guitarist for the band Status Quo.
Mick Ronson - David Bowie's guitarist, had tinnitus in the ear that was closest to his speaker column.
Hansi Kursch - lead singer and bass player for the band Blind Guardian. Kursch actually lost all hearing on one side, and then suffered tinnitus in the same ear. source from DynamiteMetal.com
Jarmo Miettinen - Rhythm guitar & vocals for the band Status Quiz
Todd Rundgren - Musician
Trent Reznor - Nine Inch Nails
James Destri - keyboardist who wrote "Fan Mail" by Blondie on the album Plastic Letters
Roger Miller - "Mission of Burma...Its career cut short by guitarist Roger Miller’s mounting tinnitus... Miller’s never shaken his condition, but now wears firingrange headphones so that Burma’s full sonic experience--high decibel levels are a key component in the band’s music--can be unleashed upon the crowd." Source from: www.avguide.com


Tinnitus In Song:
Peter Framptom - based on lyrics to Show me the way - "I wonder how you're feeling....there's ringing in my ears....and no one to relate to...cept the sea (?)Who can I believe in?I feel so ....."
Robert Plant - Stairway to Heaven - "You´re head is humming and it won´t go in case you don´t know..."
Bob Dylan - Call Letter Blues - "My ears are ringing, ringing like empty shells... (2x) Well, it can't be no guitar player.Must be...convent bells"
Nine Inch Nails - Something I Can Never Have - (Trent Reznor from the album Downward Spiral) "I still recall the taste of your tears. Echoing your voice just like the ringing in my ears."
Nine Inch Nails - The Becoming - (Trent Reznor) "I can try to get away but I've strapped myself in. I can try to scratch away the sound in my ears. I can see it killing away all of my bad parts. I don't want to listen but it's all to clear. Hiding backwards inside of me I feel so unafraid. Annie, hold a little tighter I might just slip away. It wont give up. It wants me dead. Goddamn this noise inside my head [8x] "
The Young Fresh Fellows / The Minus 5 - Little Bell - (from the album Because We Hate You / Let the War Against Music Begin) - an ode to tinnitus?
Garbage - Push It - "This is the noise that keeps me awake, my head explodes and my body aches"
U2 - Staring At The Sun - "...There's an insect in your ear, if you scratch it won't disappear, its gonna itch and burn and sting, you wanna see what the scratching brings...waves that leave me out of reach, breaking on your back like a beach, will we ever live in peace? as those that can't do, often have to preach, to the ones, staring at the sun..."
Francis Rossi/Status Quo - from 1998 single Burning Bridges - "I can't escape this ringing in my ears..."
Bob Seger - Turn the Page - "Later in the evening as you lie awake in bed, with the echo from the amplifiers ringing in your head."
Blondie - Fan Mail - (written by James Destri from the album Plastic Letters) "Beat on my Fender through my Gemini II. Play to the posters on the wall in my room. Thought I was crazy when I thought about you. And the bells in my ears kept ringing, In my ears bells are ringing..."
The Nitty Gritty Dirt Band - Hillbilly Hollywood - (Jim Photoglo, Vince Melamed) "I played some bars where you never wanna go. From Oklahoma City down to Tupelo. My ears would be ringing like an old fire bell when I'd lay me down in some cheap motel."
Wilco - Heavy Metal Drummer - (Lyrics by Jeff Tweedy from the album Yankee Hotel Foxtrot) - "Classical music blasting masks the ringing in my ears."

*sources: websites, news, radio, newspapers, newsgroups, magazines, published interviews, alt.support.tinnitus, talk radio, ATA, tinnitus discussion forums, tinnitus support message board



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Det duer ikke at være for selvhøjtidelig. Det er umådeligt svært at bære netop et hørehandicap med nogen form for ophøjet værdighed. Det er f.eks. aldrig lykkedes mig at finde en passende grimasse når andre ved et selskab griner af noget morsomt jeg ikke har hørt. Det er den ultimative isolation og udenfor-hed, og millisekunderne snegler sig af sted indtil latteren har lagt sig.

Det forekommer mig så uværdigt / nedværdigende ikke at kunne noget så banalt som at høre. Der er nogle basale ting et voksent menneske skal mestre: Snøre sine sko selv, spise sin mad selv, og høre selv, ikke? Alt andet hører til i de to ender af livet hvor jeg ikke befinder mig nu.

Hvis jeg forsøger at spørge den unge ekspedient i den larmende pladeforretningen om noget, så finder jeg hurtigt ud af at vi ikke er ligeværdige: Jeg kan se det i hans blik i samme øjeblik det går op for ham at jeg ikke kan høre: Han er usikker på hvad han skal gøre, men det er en usikkerhed overfor situationen, ikke en selv-usikkerhed.
Hans usikkerhed forsvinder når jeg er ude af døren, mens jeg tager min med ud, og skal gøre et eller andet aktivt for at støde den fra mig."

Hmmm... det kender jeg jo selv lidt til..., bare det ikke bliver så slemt som her!

Jeg skrev:

Mange af de store rockstjerner, har i dag tinnitus. Bla. er James Hetfield, Lars Ulrilch fra Metallica og Ozzy Osborne, er blandt de 50.000.000 amerikanere, der er plaget af tinnitus ( Det er mere end hver 6. amerikaner. )

Taget fra den amerikanske tinnitusforenings hjemmeside: American Tinnitus Association www.ata.org 

The American Tinnitus Association is a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization. Please explore the ATA Web site, learn more about tinnitus and its treatments, and find out how you can help the over 50 million Americans who experience tinnitus.

Ozzy Osbourne, Brad Delson fra Linkin Park og danske Lars Ulrich fra Metallica samt andre rockstjerner. Lavede i nov. 2002 en film om deres tinnitus. Som i kan læse her:

Audio Pros Advise 'Listen Smart' in New Film

New York City (November 18, 2002)--The Hearing Aid Music Foundation has completed a 15-minute educational film entitled, Listen Smart--Safely Handling the Power of Sound. The film was designed to create awareness about noise-induced hearing loss (NIHL), and to encourage safer practices in consuming high-decibel sound. The film, along with a teacher's aid booklet, is being distributed by Human Relations Media, to school districts throughout the U.S. and Canada, and other English-speaking countries around the world.

The film features numerous recording artists, music and sound professionals, as well as prominent audiologists and medical experts in hearing loss. It has been partially funded by a grant from Shure Incorporated, with closed captioning donated by Caption Max. Additional support has come from BMG Entertainment, V2 Records, Xoff Records and Sony Music Studios, as well as private donations.

Artists involved in conveying their experience and advice on hearing conservation include Moby, Ozzy Osbourne, Darren Hayes from Savage Garden, Cyndi Lauper, Wyclef Jean, Lars Ulrich of Metallica, Tracy Bonham, Evan Seinfeld of Biohazard and HBO's Oz, Deborah Harry of Blondie, Brad Delson from Linkin Park, producer Matthew Wilder and entertainment impresario Russell Simmons.

The Better Hearing Institute estimates that approximately 28 million people, or one out of 10 people, suffer from hearing loss in the U.S. According to an article in Prevention Magazine in 2000, many more are dealing with tinnitus, and that "an estimated 50 million Americans, 1 out of 5, experience this constant ringing in the ears."

Veteran music video and documentary director Pamela French oversaw all phases of the direction and production, with Geoff Martz handling the writing for the film and the teacher's booklet. The film was conceived by Dan Beck, who served as executive director, and who also co-founded the Hearing Aid Music Foundation.

The National Hearing Conservation Association will show the film at its national convention in Dallas, TX, in February. Human Relations Media features the film in their catalog to over 1 million educators across the U.S. and Canada.

Hearing Aid Music Foundation
516-764-0724
www.hearingaidmusic.com

http://www.prosoundnews.com/stories/2002/november/1118.4.sht ml

Andre links: http://www.selecthearing.com/page7.html 

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Jeg har også lyttet til høj musik i mange år; har været DJ i 10 år og skarpskytte i Flyvevåbnets nærforsvar UDEN høreværn af nogen art!!!

Ved sidste kontrol hos ørelægen hørte jeg minus 1 dB ved 16Khz på højre øre, på venstre øre hørte jeg normalt!!!

Mennesker er forskellige og nogle af os har evnen til, at lukke af således som også rovdyr af især kattefamilien gør det.

En "ortopæd" på denne tråds første side nævnte noget om nogle små muskler i øret og... (se selv)

Noget andet som kan give hørenedsættelse er indtagelse af mælkeprodukter, især af den homogene slags. De for kroppen alt for små mælkefedtpartikler går i blodbanerne og udsondres blandt andet i ørerne, blandt andet!!!  (Puh, den lugter) Meeen efter 3 måneders "pause" fra mælkeprodukterne bliver hørelsen mærkbart bedre; eneste minus er så, at alle de andre nu lugter af børnebræk, for sådan lugter forbrugt mælk altså, skål!!!

NB: Danske læger/kødsnedkere skændes stadig om hvorfor halvfede mælkemisser (kvinder) IKKE kan høre en rygende r*v, men starter man sin daglige dont som læge med at indtage 2 ostemadder og en kop kaffe med masser af fløde, så skal man nok ikke forvente den store grad af fintænkning!!!

Bah-øh, hvad???  

F.Christians skrev: De for kroppen alt for små mælkefedtpartikler går i blodbanerne og udsondres blandt andet i ørerne, blandt andet!!!

 

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Clifton skrev: Martin N skrev: <SPAN lang=DA style="mso-ansi-: DA"><FONT face="Times New Roman"> <P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" ="Msonormal"><SPAN lang=DA style="mso-ansi-: DA"></SPAN>  <P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" ="Msonormal"><SPAN lang=DA style="mso-ansi-: DA">Højt musik skader ikke nødvendigvis øret mig bekendt<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">  </SPAN>måske det <SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>giver tinitus det skal jeg ikke kunne sige men tror det ikke <?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><O:P></O:P></SPAN> <P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" ="Msonormal"><SPAN lang=DA style="mso-ansi-: DA"><O:P></O:P></SPAN> <P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" ="Msonormal"></SPAN> Laver du fis

Ej han gør da ikke .

Jeg spiller meget tit max højt og har gjort det er mange år

Så bare fyr op det skader ikke normal mennsker

Jeg taler åbenbart for døve ører. Fint nok. Have it Your way.

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Drikker du mælketoddy, Clifton???

Først når man er stået af mælkeflasken og har været det et stykke tid, kan man mærke forandringen!!! Rygere synes heller ikke at røgen lugter, men det gør den altså!!!  

F.Christians, har du nogle links der kan underbygge din teori om mælk og dårlig hørelse (og intelligens)?

Hvis man ikke har link´s til internettet (den skinbarlige sandheds-guru), ja så er det nok løgn og latin!!! Men prøv selv, dan dig din egen erfaring og skriv så et indlæg i cyper-space og se om ikke du så bliver mælke-guru!!!

(og intelligens)? Ja; overdreven indtagelse af dyrefedt sætter sig også på hjernen, man bliver kort for hovedet.

Man er hvad man spiser og det har jeg heller ikke selv fundet på!!!

Kunne grunden til amerikanernes høreproblemer så skyldes en helt uhørt indtagelse af bøfkød med ost og pommes-frites og så med en sukkerfri cola, eller hvad???

F.Christians skrev: Hvis man ikke har link´s til internettet (den skinbarlige sandheds-guru), ja så er det nok løgn og latin!!! Men prøv selv, dan dig din egen erfaring og skriv så et indlæg i cyper-space og se om ikke du så bliver mælke-guru!!!

Jeg sætter ikke lighedstegn mellem internet og sandhed. Det der var interessant at se, var om andre end DIG havde den samme erfaring, med den mildest sagt lidt kontroversielle teori. Videnskab er, når andre - under de samme forudsætninger - kan opnå de samme resultater som en selv i et forsøg. Ellers er vi jo tilbage ved de laserlys dimser der blev solgt til folk i 90'erne som middel mod tinnitus. "De gjorde det i hver fald ikke værre" var konklusionen den gang, he he.

 

Clifton skrev: Jeg taler åbenbart for døve ører. Fint nok. Have it Your way.

Jep jep, hvorfor lytte til fagfolk, når man kan lave sine egne meget mere interessante teorier.

Jeg oplever det samme, når folk forsøger at forklare mig, hvorfor magnet- og elektroterapi kan kurere diabetes. Ja de der elektroner er sgu geniale til at genoplive de langerhanske øers beta-celler.

Adam først!!! Alle levende kroppe fungerer ved et sindrigt system af meget svage elektriske systemer, de kan 10hver10fald måles og ifølge andre kan man også "kurere" ved at påføre kroppen andre frekvenser!!! Om det er rigtigt eller bare lidt virksomt, må andre "bevise"; jeg ved INTET (næsten) om det!!!

Og så hr. Svend P; Hifi er IKKE min hovedinteresse og det behøver det heller ikke at være på Hifi4all!!!

Derimod er esoterisk viden (viden uforståeligt for den uindviede) min nr.1 yndlingsinteresse og jeg har studeret det i ca. 25 år, så emnet er stort set frit, men off-topic i dette forum!!!

Nr. 2 yndlingsinteresse er frihed; frihed for alt kævl og strid, gæld og især de 7 dødssynder (jeg er ALDRIG misundelig over andres meget bedre lydende "hifi"-anlæg)

Først som nr. 3 yndlingsinteresse kommer det at hygge sig, "having a good time" og der kommer så det, at have en behagelig rede, ordenligt lys og lyd omkring sig, ja god mad og drikke og behageligt selskab såmænd!!!

Jeg er ikke troldmand, ej heller en naiv teknik-duperet no-know!!!

Det skulle nok kunne lade sig gøre, at finde et link hvor Celine Dion forsager al mælk, alt dets væsen og alle dets gerninger, fordi det sætter sig på hendes stemmebånd!!! Sætter det sig på hendes stemmebånd, kunne det jo være at det også satte sig andre steder!!!

Hvad siger lægefakulteterne om fænomenet "nakkeost"/udflåd, hvad kommer det af??? De ved det ikke, ligesom så meget andet!!!

Et af emnerne for esoterisk viden er, at sammenligne de ældste religioner med den nyeste forskning (videnskab???) og så glæde sig over, at de kommer tættere og tættere på "sandheden" opremset i de oldgamle bøger, selvom det her er skrevet i et for vores tid nærmest uforståeligt sprog og tit gennem tiderne fejloversat!!! Derfor læser jeg også om astrofysik/partikelfysik!!!

Så kunne det ikke blive mere off-topic og jeg beklager da også dette overfor dette udmærkede forums sikkert ligeså udmærkede forum-moderator, schönes tag!!!  

NB: Bill Gates er magtfuld og rig, men man har det nu bedre i selskab med en tam hamster!!!

 

F.Christians skrev: Hvad siger lægefakulteterne om fænomenet "nakkeost"/udflåd, hvad kommer det af??? De ved det ikke, ligesom så meget andet!!!

Jeg ville ønske, at du ikke kom med fejlagtige udtalelser om emner du åbenbart ikke har forstand på.

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Nah, Dr. Clifton!!!  Hvis du ved en hel del mere om det, så del din viden med os. Det er for nemt med det dersens "det er løgn, men jeg kender dog ikke sandheden selv"!!!

Var der så nogen, som fandt noget om emnet på nettet??? Måske noget om 3mdr´s kolik og modermælkserstatning eller indtagelse af homogeniseret mælk og mellemørebetændelse???

F.Christians, det er DIN opgave at finde links på nettet om sammenhængen mellem mælk og tinnitus. Vi andre tror ikke på dig, og gider ikke bruge tid på at lede efter noget der ikke findes.  Tror du at millioner af mennesker verden over ville lide på daglig basis, hvis det var så simpelt som at unvære mælk? Hvor meget mælk tror du eks. Ozzie Osborne drikker? Hvorfor har det ikke været beskrevet i de store aviser (hvor jeg bl.a. har læst det med de uvirksomme laserlys og effekten af vitaminer)? Hvis man fik tinnitus af at DRIKKE mælk, ville jeg kunne forstå at det ville hjælpe at holde op igen. Simpel logik. Men din terori er for langt ude!

F.Christians skrev: Nah, Dr. Clifton!!!  Hvis du ved en hel del mere om det, så del din viden med os. Det er for nemt med det dersens "det er løgn, men jeg kender dog ikke sandheden selv"!!!

Jeg har ikke i sinde at forklare basale biokemiske og cellebiologiske principper vedr nedbrydning, transport og deponering af fedt. Jeg vil dog love dig, at hvis du kigger i et par af de bøger vi bruger på medicinstudiet vil du forstå hvorfor der ikke er noget der hedder "De for kroppen alt for små mælkefedtpartikler". Hvorfor det ikke er mystisk at fedt "går i blodbanerne" for at blive transporteret og hvorfor de ikke "og udsondres blandt andet i ørerne, blandt andet!!!"

Jeg har heller ikke i sinde at forklare dig hvad forskellen på nakkeost, det vi så fint kalder smegma preputii, og udflåd som man ser ved infektion med f.eks Neisseria gonorrhoeae, eller hvorfor det er noget ævl at blande de to begreber sammen. Hvis du ser i en anatomibog vil du se at smegma kommer fra nogle små kirtler blandt glans, særligt i sulcus coronarius, der kaldes glandula præputiales. Disse består af modificerede epithelceller der secernerer en fedtet substans (og hvordan laver de så den, jo det kan man studere i førnævnte cellebiologibog) Ved vi så ikke hvad denne masse skal bruges til, jo det gør vi da. Den bruges jo til at indfedte glans så huden ikke indtrørrer, sprækker og bliver tilgængelig for infektion.

Se så, det lader jo til at vi ved hvad smegma er og hvor det kommer fra. Så må din udtalelse jo være urigtig. Ikke noget magisk eller esoterisk der.
Der er ganske givet at der er mange ting vi ikke ved, men det er jo derfor vi forsker. For at afdække de ting vi ikke ved. Og forskning er altså ikke at Celine Dion har en idiosynkrasi omkring mælk.

Jeg har iøvrigt ikke påstået, at jeg ikke kender sandheden. Det må stå for egen regning. Hvad jeg til gendgæld har, er indgående kendskab til bla. anatomi, biokemi, fysiologi, cellebiologi. Har du det?

Hvorfor vil jeg ikke ikke diske op med de relevante forklaringer? For det første er det uden for dettes forums rammer og for det andet kan jeg bruge min tid bedre end på at skrive en halv kilometers indlæg om processer du så udemærket kan læse om i faglitteraturen.

F.Christians skrev: Var der så nogen, som fandt noget om emnet på nettet??? Måske noget om 3mdr´s kolik og modermælkserstatning eller indtagelse af homogeniseret mælk og mellemørebetændelse???

Jeg vil lige tilllade mig, at komme med endnu et surt opstød. Enhver idiot kan skrive hvad han vil på nettet. Hvad der er skrevet på nettet er derfor som udgangspunkt videnskabeligt uden vægt. For at have betydning skal det refererede være censoreret. Dvs. for at man kan linke til noget somhelst videnskabeligt på nettet skal dette være i form af en artikel i et anerkendt videnskabeligt tidsskrift. Så sikre man sig i det mindste at det værste skidt er sorteret fra.

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F.Christians skrev: Jeg har også lyttet til høj musik i mange år; har været DJ i 10 år og skarpskytte i Flyvevåbnets nærforsvar UDEN høreværn af nogen art!!! Ved sidste kontrol hos ørelægen hørte jeg minus 1 dB ved 16Khz på højre øre, på venstre øre hørte jeg normalt!!! Mennesker er forskellige og nogle af os har evnen til, at lukke af således som også rovdyr af især kattefamilien gør det. En "ortopæd" på denne tråds første side nævnte noget om nogle små muskler i øret og... (se selv) Noget andet som kan give hørenedsættelse er indtagelse af mælkeprodukter, især af den homogene slags. De for kroppen alt for små mælkefedtpartikler går i blodbanerne og udsondres blandt andet i ørerne, blandt andet!!!  (Puh, den lugter) Meeen efter 3 måneders "pause" fra mælkeprodukterne bliver hørelsen mærkbart bedre; eneste minus er så, at alle de andre nu lugter af børnebræk, for sådan lugter forbrugt mælk altså, skål!!! NB: Danske læger/kødsnedkere skændes stadig om hvorfor halvfede mælkemisser (kvinder) IKKE kan høre en rygende r*v, men starter man sin daglige dont som læge med at indtage 2 ostemadder og en kop kaffe med masser af fløde, så skal man nok ikke forvente den store grad af fintænkning!!! Bah-øh, hvad???

Overflødigt indlæg, voksne mennesker drikker jo ikke mælk

Hmm mærkeligt.. Først prøvede jeg med mine Sennheiser HD 495.. der gik min hørelse til ca. 16800hz, så prøvede jeg med mine Dali 400 og her stoppede hørelsen ved ca. 15000... Alt over var bare væk.. Prøvede igen sennheiserne og resultatet var det samme som tidligere..
Prøvede lige Dali'erne igen, nu gik det fint indtil omkring 18800.. Tror måske der var skruet alt for langt ned i starten? (der ligger en syg person og sover lige nu så jeg ville ikke spille for højt)

hmm .. Kan huske engang for omkring 4 år siden, der kunne jeg godt høre op til 21-22000hz.. men jeg tvivlede på resultatet dengang, for det var med nogle Sennheiser hovedtelefoner sat til en bærbar computer.. tvivlede på om det virkelig kunne komme så højt op..

Og nu tvivler jeg så på om det er min hørelse der er blevet "dårligere" eller om det bare er mit grej der ikke kan gå højere op? :)